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What do you think of the girly figures on CDX?Yeah! 47% (191 votes) OK once in a while 32% (129 votes) Nooooooooooo! 21% (87 votes) Total votes: 407 Submitted by JoshB on 8 June, 2008 - 16:37.
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 I have to say the amusing part to me is that the only reason I found this site was, in fact, girly (well, and monster ...erhhm... ok, monster girly) toys. I have a bit of a predilection, you see. So does that mean I need to vote yes? Seriously, girly toys are fine - provided of course they don't walk that kiddie porn line. As an adult (and a girl), I sometimes like a naughtier toy. Then again, sometimes, I like a girl who just wants to blow crap up. [Oh - when with they make my Tank Girl toy?! Or my Fran from FFXII?! Seriously.] B.  I would go insane over a Tank Girl toy - what a great idea! Welcome aboard. ------------------------------  I agree. I voted for a little spice in life because this site is about collecting Japanese toys and models. Yes, the majority of our reviews focus on technological marvels, but I'm sure a lithe female form once in a while to out little geek hut wouldn't be too bad once in a while.  Nothing wrong with them, as long as it's a cool toy. I mean, even if it isn't, there's nothing wrong with covering it, because then people will know it's not a good figure. As much as I love shiny metallic violence, this couldn't hurt.  For variation, I think is okay. But I think mechas and vintage toys makes CDX rise above the competition.  I vote in defense, its another zany element of our "Awesome He-Man Giant Robots Club." Besides, they can't be any different from collecting Arcee(s) or the Chogo "Mazinger mecha Gals" even though there we can make "Check out the Warheads on that one" jokes all day long. "Chicks dig giant robots."  I agree that variety is good. But it does seem that there are thousands of these girly figures out there, and they could easily flood out anything else. It just depends on what you want the focus of the site to be. Me personally, I'm here for my love of robots, and I think most people are, too. The occasional girly figure isn't bad once in a while. Also, Josh, have you gotten my emails, or are you just ignoring me? If you are, just tell me. :) I havent gotten any emails from you sorry. Have you sent them through the CDX system? Otherwise email me at josh@collectiondx.com ------------------------------ Yeah, I sent them through your contact page on your profile here. Do you host destroyallpodcastsdx.com as well? They had the same issue with me. Yes, I host both - same mail server but the problem has been resolved. ------------------------------  Collextion DX should post robots and stuff people collect, if we don't like...we can just unclick or not collect. Me personally, I don't like the girly figures (the mazinger girl robots with missle breast I find half hilarious in an embarassing way and half offensive), but to each their own. Essentially CollectionDX is about what we collect. While the focus is mainly robots, we do often venture into other Genre such as monsters, star wars, superheroes and others... ------------------------------  Cyclone Blue says, it's okay, just don't overdo it. We still wanna see lots and lotsa robots. "NO GNU IS GOOD GNU LIKE GARY GNU!" Don't worry, lots of robots on the way. Coming up this week is at least 3 chogokin and the new GNU figures from Yamato ------------------------------  Please no Yeah, those type of figure reviews I can see us doing. I'm a robot nerd at heart, and married, so only so many of those figures can be allowed in my collection before i start getting weird looks from the wife and kids. ------------------------------  I'm not a fan of the girly figures in general. I don't collect or read or watch any of those shows or books. They are just not entertaining to me at all, and a lot of the programs in that genre of anime are not very respectful of women at all. That said, I just don't click on those articles, so it doesn't bother me that they are there. I check out the articles that interest me. Sometimes, there are parts of the site I personally don't like, or only check out once in a while like the podcasts, I also don't check out the videos ever (unless there's some electronic feature or something that can not be photographed or explained well.) but I would *hate* for any of those to go away, because that might disapoint some readers. I'm more of a supporter of the "DX" part of the site- the bigger chogokin sets, jumbos, vintage diecast, vinyls, 1/6 figures, horror movies. the classic stuff. This place really has become a nice, easy to search database for collectors, and to me at least has had a consistantly high quality of writing for years- a brief history, details about the toy, intelligent well thought out impressions, clean pictures, a sense of humor but not childish or trying to be a comedian. I've often thought that CDX if it's articles were put into a book, There are a lot of articles that I just don't read, and I'm here almost every day. I really dig that the site has been branching out a bit, with the model kits, and non-robot anime show toys. I would love to see DVD reviews too of some type. I hate to say "no, don't do this type of product review" without offering some type of suggestions of what to do reviews of: But as long as the writing stays smart, the pictures stay good, and the diecast keeps flowing, you can't lose. You don't watch the videos? Man, we put so much work into those! But anyway, yeah, we have lots of different things in the queue to cover. I haven't even scratched the surface of my vintage collection here on the site, so there will be plenty of that to come. DVD reviews have always been a thought, but I think I would want to get someone to cover those on a dedicated basis. ------------------------------  I prefer the big robots over these hugely endowed ladies flooding pretty much every show lately, and thus arent a big fan of these panty shot figures. As magnificently sculptured some of these figures are (Yamato Creators Labo Rei Ayanami anyone?) I dont think they belong here. However, i dont mind the odd exception every now and then, like the new Revoltech Yotsuba or the MMS line or something like that. I am not a huge fan of them but I do see Josh B point. I am intrigued by the new technology that is behind them, i.e figma and revoltech. Manufactures are going to produce products people want. I guess there is a big market out there for detail anime/manga figures. For example, there are a slew of Gundam female figures of all scale for sale. I am not interested in fixed figures as well sculpted as they maybe. The whole loli things gets a little creepy. Wow, a lot of commentary on the opposition, but I have to say that this is merely a friendly question of what added content will be here. I know I've been lax/behind/etc excuses about my role here with the Gunpla, so I know Josh and the crew have been working double time to fill in for missing content with extra content of some variety. We've seen a great deal of Universal Movie Monsters (classics!) and even some great entries on Bootlegs, now much of these are not the giant robots we all know and love, but these are just some of the things that makes some of our Collections so DX. Rob, The Resident Gundam Guy! If you're talking about scantily clad apparently underage or barely legal female figures, then no. It's just sick and retarded. I agree with that. What i'm talking about is more of the female action figures - like pilots from EVA, Street fighter characters, etc. We do want to keep these reviews "clean" so to speak. ------------------------------  Pocco from Revoltech would be an example of appropriate to the site; too many more school students.... not so much. We will gauge accordingly. :) ___________________ I voted noooo for reasons I've made plain here and elsewhere. I've always thought CDX was more about robots and Japanese sci-fi, with everything those entail. The occasional Star Wars, movie monster, and GI Joe piece is fine since anyone in our collective age group grew up with that stuff and it's embedded in our minds. That's always been how I've perceived the site. Figures of girls from connected shows, like Fraulein Eva stuff and the like are fair game. But stuff like the Pocco or the Figma stuff just feels like it should be on a different site, or at least a separate area of the site. The only connection it has is the technology and manufacturer. Look at Danny Choo's site. He covers Gundam, GK, moe, and other robot stuff, but they're in their own categories. So if you aren't interested in kiddie porn figures, you don't have to wade through it to see the new Revoltech release. Moe is a whole different animal. I know it's subjective and some feel it's harmless while others view it as borderline kiddie porn. I'm in the middle but more towards the latter with the somewhat hypocritical position of admitting to liking some moe stuff. It's a touchy subject that has wide streaks of gray. The depictions of teenage or older girls is fine by me, but some of this stuff is just wrong. I don't like looking at half naked figures of a 12 year-old girl in a suggestive pose, partly because it's questionably legal, and second because it starts to make you think it's okay to like that sort of thing. It's like some form of peer-pressure on a national scale. Japan seems to think it's all fair game, it's part of the mainstream culture, that's just crazy to me. It's like the ecchi otaku looking up skirts of figures joke went too far and now it's gotten out of control.  I gotta tell ya, I'm with duke on this one...wholeheartedly. That's true: Rei's fourteen...but there are legitimate figures of her that I think are wholly fine. Fourteen or not, she's a very complex main character from a highly sophisticated, acclaimed science fiction series...regardless of whether or not the character's objectified by otaku. Garbage? "Garbage", you say...??? great- now I do feel obligated to defend myself at that, sir! I have never, ever purchased a female figure in my entire life for myself. (I sure don't plan to anytime soon either!) Being an Aspie means I lean more toward the technical (robots, ships, etc.) than I do the emotional or social (characters) of a story. And so, for me to stick my neck out and go out on a really fine limb and purchase not one, but two static-pose female figures was most out-of-character for moi. I had no interest in any other figure of Rei or Asuka (still don't) because they have been done to death in all manner of outfit. For anyone who hasn't seen the show, they may be surprised to learn after all this moe that a depressed and lonely fourteen year-old boy is indeed the star of the show. And I can't even remember the last time I've seen a figure of him made in the last few years. Needless to say, Shinji's wardrobe has never been elaborated with such frequency as Asuka and Rei. Ironically, perhaps only Kaworu who appeared in the last few episodes (for spoilers' sake, I won't go beyond that) may have a slight edge on our depressed hero in that category! As to my reasoning, here's how I see it: Which have we seen more often- Rei bandage in both her school and plug suit, or her as a mermaid? It was such a strange move by Sega that it actually moved me to go after them. It wasn't moe that drove me to cover them. Now, I'm not saying that mermaid Asuka-chan and Rei-chan aren't a part of moe, but that they were certainly an interesting and out-there take on them. And they were also cheap for how they turned out. Sorry for the awkward wording, J--I meant that Rei is one of the main characters...of a complex sci-fi show. Yes, Shinji is the main character. In fact, when it really comes down to it, ALL the other characters and events in the show serve as little more than "character" devices, if you will, for the purpose of developing his character.  While the show does not sexualize them to the level fans have as well as official Gainax products created after the fact, there's definitely an element of it in the show. For example, the clearly underaged girls are wearing those skintight plugsuits, and the bandaged Rei and schoolgirl outfits are clearly aimed at well-established otaku fetishes. There's a definite element of the submissive "sexy" character. Just like Macross Frontier panders to known Otaku fetishes, Eva does as well, though perhaps it is not trying to hit so MANY at once. There's also the so-called masculine gaze as described by feminist film critic Laura Mulvey. Essentially, the positioning of women on screen, how they are filmed, and how they are edited by nature put women into passive positions where they are regarded as sex objects. Examples are breaking a woman up into body parts. You don't show a shot of a woman's entire body and then a shot of her face. Instead, you show a shot of her calves, an shot of her thighs, a shot of her butt, a shot of her chest, then a shot of her face, or possibly the camera slowly sliding up over all of those parts. Men are typically not shot in this manner. They are usually shot in full body and close-up or full body, partial body, and close up. Hitchcock is of course the classic example. But like I said before, posing can be just as important. For instance, you can pose women bent over a lot or whatever. Also the location of the camera can be important, such as the one shot I have seen over and over of the camera looking down Asuka's chest while she is wrapped in a towel. While Eva does not necessarily say, "Hey, having sex with underaged girls is great!" it does sexualize the underaged girls that appear in it, far more so than older characters like Misato, as others have already mentioned. And need I mention the scene with Shinji and Asuka's comatose body? I'm hard pressed to come up with a better example of the sexualized passive woman COMBINED with the moe fascination for injured girls who "need" the (imaginary) protection of the moe fan. This is largely a matter of subtext, as Shinji is the main character, but it's still very much a part of Evangelion and to dismiss it is disingenuous. Here's some stuff on the male gaze if you want more detail: http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/gaze/gaze09.html Also: http://www.anime-source.com/banzai/contests/scavenger08/04.jpg Innocent? -Jeremy I can't disagree with a single word you just typed, Sanjeev. You certainly said it better than I could. OT... "Aspie" is a shortened (some say derogative) term for Asperger's Syndrome, a life-long form of high-functioning autism. In short, Asperger's is considered "high-functioning" because I can communicate normally like everyone else instead of uncontrollably slurring and waving my hands around all the time. However, the big downside is that I am similarly plagued with problems in social & emotional skills/communication that everyone else obtains naturally during childhood; these have to be actually taught to me. (Why do you think I've never had a girlfriend before? Too geeky? Perhaps, that's certainly a part of it. But consider that I also haven't had any "friends" in the real world for +16 years now.) Hi Guys,  "This must be settled the way nature intended....with a vicious, bloody fight!" If it's a cool figure, ok, but a huge majority of these girl figures are posed with their various cracks to be examined directly. I mean, these aren't exactly made for their great artistic value. It's T&A straight up. Not enough toy/hobby and too close to porn for me.  With some caveats. Non T&A figures that are connected to various normal lines covered here would be fine from time to time. (Example. A normal outfit Super Robot Taisen character is cool. Something like that Kushua figure which is basically her and a VERY small towel? DECIDEDLY UNCOOL.) If it seems dedicated to the creepy moe or other such obsessives, I would rather it stay far, FAR away. Anime has a bad enough reputation because of that malarkey as it is. CollectionDX should stand above such horrible things.  Start with the Chichinoe Plus and continue all the way to the Queens Blade and Witchblade ones!!! }D So how about reviews of BOY figures?!! With sexy poses bending over where you can take their clothes off and examine their buttcracks and penial anatomy. The younger the better of course.. It's great that our hobby makes this kind of stuff so we can mix our toy fantasies with sexual lust! Just to put some perspective on all of this.  I vote for yes for only ones that can move, something you can play with, no for the just stationary figures.  ... than stuck on a plastic woman ! (said & done ;)  I voted nooooo, simply because there are lots of other sites out there that cover that kind of stuff. Plus there's just too many of them, only case where it would be okay is if the figure was from a scifi/robot show. I vote more kaiju ! Realxhead/marmit/m1 stuff, you know. |
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So here's the deal - the Haruhi review brought up some good issues about female figurines, and whether or not we should cover them. What do you think? Should they receive coverage at all? Are they interesting?
Personally, I think variety is good, less we fall into too much of a niche. Our passion is Japanese Toys, and that's a wide spectrum. If you look at the new releases coming out of Japan each month, 80% of them are female figurines. The whole articulated female figure market is just now coming into popularity, and is offering an affordable alternative to the high-end semi-pornographic statues that have been the norm. As a fan of action figures in general, I appreciate new and interesting advances in figure technology.
And really, who doesn't love a pretty face?
That's not to say that CDX is going to become MOEDX, but If we find figures that interest us, or that are somehow related to the robot / sci-fi genre, we may cover them.
What say you?
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