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Josh, The new camera

Josh,
Great review but the new camera doesn't do the VF-1D justice. The colors are much more bright and vibrant in person.

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Posted by Shogundan on 13 April, 2009 - 00:08
D not a trainer?

I might be wrong on this, but if I remember correctly, the VF-1D in Macross is a two-seater but its not a trainer - it has a second seat for a specialist operator, like a F-15E Strike Eagle. The trainer thing seems to have been an assumption made by the writers of the Robotech role-playing games...

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Posted by F-ZeroOne on 13 April, 2009 - 04:12
Not a trainer.

You're right. The VF-1D is not a trainer, it's just a two-seater.

-Jeremy

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 13 April, 2009 - 11:34
It's a trainer, but not all

It's a trainer, but not all VF-1D are trainers, only the orange deco. The normal VF-1D has the cannon fodder paint scheme. I was under the assumption that the standard VF-1D was a one seater. Can anyone confirm?

I think the Super Ostritch uses the VF-1D 2 seater body and a similar paint scheme, but its not used for training purposes.

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Posted by JoshB on 13 April, 2009 - 14:06
Y'know, I got Yamato's 1/60

Y'know, I got Yamato's 1/60 "2.0" VF-1S Hikaru from DYRL, and I absolutely love the damn thing, but it always bugged me that it didn't come with a pair of closed-fist, fixed-pose hands. Seeing other Yamato Valks come with "fisty" hands bugs me all over again...
And you are absolutely right on about the gunpod not wanting to stick to the forearms. It's not as much of an issue in fighter mode, because of having the pegs from both arms to grab (though not exactly stable either), but keeping it hooked to the forearm in battroid mode is a bitch. I don't know; maybe making the grip/handle of the gunpod a bit thicker would make for a deeper, more stable connection, but these things are so tightly engineered at this point it's probably not possible in some way I'm not seeing. At least the gunpod fits superbly in the battroid's hands, and that's what really matters, right?

Btw, I gotta disagree with Shogundan about the new camera. I think the last few reviews' pics have been looking great (although, admittedly, I've never seen this figure in person, so don't take this as arguing or anything).

Ah crap, I just wrote some kind of half-assed mini-review, didn't I? My bad, it wasn't intentional...

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Posted by Diyenn78 on 13 April, 2009 - 10:05
How often did we see the

How often did we see the -1D beyond the first few episodes of Macross?

Admittedly, I also believe it to be a two-seat trainer. All other Valkyries that I am aware of have single-seat designs (unless two-seat trainers were simply not animated into the series). While it was fully armed in the first episodes of the series, I suppose that was to allow it to carry dummy blue-tips as easily as it would real red-tip weapons. Why take two into regular combat when one usually does fine in all of the other models?

But, I also acknowledge that having a two-seat fighter on the battlefield could have advantages beyond reconnaissance or special-ops.
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Posted by EVA_Unit_4A on 13 April, 2009 - 12:38
Standing Around

We see it standing around a few times in Macross 7, not doing a hell of a lot. The VT-1 Superostrich is the trainer. It even has a different designation (VT) than the regular Valkyries (VF).

-Jeremy

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 13 April, 2009 - 13:11
As I understand it, the VT-1

As I understand it, the VT-1 Super Ostrich is a stand-in during DYRL for the VF-1D which was never seen there. They just tweaked the head, wingtips, and FAST Pack, because there is was specifically set-up as a trainer, rather than being debatable as it was/is from the series.
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Posted by EVA_Unit_4A on 13 April, 2009 - 19:12
Okay, I'll take up the

Okay, I'll take up the mantle of arguing fighter versus trainer on Josh's behalf...mainly because I just got done bugging him about it! :P

It was my understanding for years that it was a trainer. Then, Andrew and Jeremy, the two foremost experts on Macross minutia since Shoji Kawamori told me that it was a two-seat fighter, NOT a trainer. And now, Josh is telling me it's a trainer again. But this time, he's supplying proof!

Wikipedia lists the -1D as a "dual-seater combat-capable trainer". And MAHQ lists two -1D subvariants: a fighter in grey colors and a trainer in the colors you see above.

Now, I have little faith in Wikipedia because of how it works (if enough jerks believe something to be true...then it is!), and who knows where MAHQ gets their info from...but let's see some documentation to the contrary!

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Sanjeev

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Posted by Sanjeev on 13 April, 2009 - 14:20
Macross Compendium

http://macross.anime.net/mecha/united_nations/variable/vf1/index.html

"VF-1D: Two-seater version. Two RÖV-20 laser guns and two TV camera eye systems."

"VT-1: Two-seater trainer version, manufactured by licensee Northrom, normally equipped with Shinnakasu Heavy Industry NR-BP-T1 FAST Pack booster variant with enlarged propellant tanks and no missile pods, NP-FB-T1 conformal tanks, NP-AU-T1 arm units with no micro-missiles"

The Macross Compendium is sort of official, being that it is entirely web versions of official publications and is endorsed by Big West.

-Jeremy

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 13 April, 2009 - 16:15
Right, but this version does

Right, but this version does not have the enlarged propellant tanks. Do we agree that this is a VF not a VT? Do we agree that this is a two seater? Clearly there is two versions of the VF-1D but your article only mentions one. I don't dispute that the VT-1 is also a training version, but I don't see why there can't be a training version of the VF-1D. The quote you show above does nothing to disprove my point.

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Posted by JoshB on 13 April, 2009 - 18:48
Two-seat fighter vs. trainer

In general, two-seat types are indeed used for training, but they occasionally serve a combat function for missions which are considered too complex for a single pilot. The Marines, for example, use two-seat F-18D as air-support aircraft; the second-seat operator handles the precision-guided munitions, and also acts as an observer. The old "Wild Weasel" aircraft also were two-man operations, with the second-seat operator performing the EWO function (watching for missile launches and radar lock-ons, and directing the pilot towards targets.)

That said, it's not really clear what a second-seat operator would do in a VF-1 fighter; they seem to work perfectly well as single-seat fighters. Of course, the only VF-1D we ever see in the series is clearly serving as a trainer / research aircraft, so there you are I guess.

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Posted by RobotBastard on 13 April, 2009 - 18:45
Poses Not approved by Big West

Josh,

Just want to let you know that I watched all of Macross today and none your poses for this VF-1D was anime correct and never appear in Macross at all. Let's try to do a little better next time.

LF

Leonardo Flores
CollectionDX Staff Writer-West Coast Bureau

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Posted by Showapop on 13 April, 2009 - 22:06
this made me spit out my

this made me spit out my drink on the floor!

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Posted by The Big R on 13 April, 2009 - 23:44
That had to be a joke.

That had to be a joke. Please tell me that was a joke.

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Posted by Diyenn78 on 14 April, 2009 - 08:40
LMAO That is an awesome

LMAO

That is an awesome comment! XD

Though the stuff I usually cover is lacking in posing options, I try to recreate memorable poses wherever possible, since it seems to be quid pro quo.
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Posted by EVA_Unit_4A on 14 April, 2009 - 12:47
"That had to be a joke.

"That had to be a joke. Please tell me that was a joke."

Macross fans don't joke, and I'd appreciate it if you folks did not try to insinuate otherwise. We analyze.

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Posted by Prometheum5 on 14 April, 2009 - 08:45
Hahaha....ALL you guys crack

Hahaha....ALL you guys crack me the f' up!!

Honestly, I find digging deep into the nerdery of sci-fi technology really fun. When I was younger (and foolish), I read the Star Trek Technical Manual that explained how warp drives, phasers, transporters, and crap like that worked. Loved every minute of it!

I think ALL of that fun, however, gets flushed right down the toilet instantly as soon as the mega-nerds start feeling the need to prove who's...manhood's...larger by arguing with other mega-nerds about such minutia.

Obviously, I don't see that being the case here. We're just trying to get to the bottom of one controvertial detail, but the fact that this thread hasn't erupted into a Macrossworld-style 37-page flame war pretty much indicates that while, sure, we'd love to know...but we don't REALLY care.

Whether the VF-1D was supposed to be a trainer or a fighter...versus the VT-1...is a neat discussion to me, and to probably a lot of other CDX-readers out there. But I'm sure none of us are losing any sleep over it.

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Sanjeev

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Posted by Sanjeev on 14 April, 2009 - 11:16
"But I'm sure none of us are

"But I'm sure none of us are losing any sleep over it."

Speak for yourself, I was up all night thinking about it!! ;)

"This must be settled the way nature intended....with a vicious, bloody fight!"
Onyx Blackman
Principal, Flatpoint High

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Posted by NekroDave on 14 April, 2009 - 11:30
What is this "sleep" you

What is this "sleep" you speak of? I just stare at a TV all night long- blinking my eyes rather than using a remote...
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Posted by EVA_Unit_4A on 14 April, 2009 - 12:49
Heh, Heh, Heh

Heh,heh,heh.......and you call yourself an individual.

How amusing is that?!

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 30 April, 2009 - 02:36
Sheeeesh!!!

Hey Josh that's what you get for jumping the gun with the Macrossworld people- you get corrected for something else! At least it's not about the intake covers or the fins! Now is that Ichijo or Ichijyo, Minmay or Minmei,
Poh- tay -toe or pow ta tow? Heh-heh.....

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Posted by Germanicus on 19 April, 2009 - 19:01
http://www.new-un-spacy.com T

http://www.new-un-spacy.com

The VT is a trainer, that's been decided. It has a secondary control system making it obviously so.

The 1D is a dual seat platform that can function as a trainer for certain situations. It does not have a second set of controls like the VT, it does have an array of secondary systems that can be operated from the rear for both combat and observation purposes.

Much like the F-14 that it was based on, the rear seat was used by a tactical officer for navigation, weapons control, and as a second set of eyes. While much of that was replaced by advanced computer systems in the other VF designations, the 1D was left without those - perhaps due to it being an older model or strictly as an alternative model for various uses.

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Posted by duke togo on 29 April, 2009 - 18:13
Really love this toy.

Really love this toy.

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Posted by north-exit on 15 October, 2009 - 02:53
VF-1D in more than 3 episodes

Not sure if everyone is referring to this specific paint job or not, but if they aren't, then yes, the VF-1D does appear in more than just the first 3 episodes. It appears again when Max & Miriya/Millia get married, and it's the fighter they use for both their wedding and the ensuing battle that follows.

That always miffed me, that Yamato did a "Virgin Road" VF-1D in Max's colors. But then I watched all of Robotech again a few years ago, and yup, there it is.

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Posted by Optimal III on 22 April, 2015 - 12:46
 
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