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Destroy All Podcasts ST Episode 14 - Gungriffon

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DualShock/Analog Stick compatibility

According to Wikipedia, the DualShock does actually have a compatibility mode for the Anolog Stick. It doesn't really explain, nor does it cite a reference, so who knows if this is even true? My only suggestion would be to try pressing that center button that turns the analog sticks on and off. See what happens.

~Neil

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Posted by 117ufcbetting on 23 February, 2009 - 08:23
Wikipedia?

Wikipedia? With all due respect....Wikipedia is fun to read, but honestly...Wikipedia sucks. Just thought I bring it out.

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 23 February, 2009 - 13:06
oh for crying out loud!

Look, I was trying to help out. Does it [ADMIN EDIT] matter that I used Wiki? GOD!

Besides, I at least had the courtesy to look into it further, and it turns out I was wrong, but not because I used Wiki. It's because I didn't read close enough.

The Wiki article doesn't say the DualShock is compatible. It refers to another controller called the Dual Analog Controller, which looks similar to the DualShock, except it doesn't have rumble. I didn't even know that this controller existed.

And since using Wiki as a fast resource is apparently heresy, I asked around, and one of my friends confirmed this to be the case. There was a dual analog controller with which the dual analog joysticks were compatible, but neither control schemes are compatible with the DualShock.

Happy now?

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Posted by 117ufcbetting on 23 February, 2009 - 15:29
Hey now

Guys, please no swearing in the comments section.

-Jeremy

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 23 February, 2009 - 15:33
Oops, I forgot about that.

Oops, I forgot about that. Sorry, Jeremy.

Unfortunately, I can't edit it now. Otherwise, I'd change it.

[EDIT] Never mind. You guys changed it. I'll watch that from now on.

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Posted by 117ufcbetting on 23 February, 2009 - 15:56
Mr. Neil....

Mr. Neil....I did say 'with all due respect'. I would never say that idiom just for nothing. I've meant every word of it.

I was just expressing a humble opinion. I was in no way criticizing you in person, I was criticizing the questionable technological nature of information like Wikipedia into which I feel like our techno-driven culture it's progressing too rapidly. I've been in subtle thought about it's constant usage, about how we as humans are so deeply reliable on a free-source of reference which proves itself to be unstable.

We as humans rely on a tool that is unreliable, but we use them all the time and it's saturating the internet from search engine to search engine 24hrs per day.

I couldn't help but wonder
I couldn't help but question

Besides...Jeremy argued Andrew about using Wikipedia as an unreliable tool to backup his rebuttal in a heated moe-lolicon vs slice-of-life debate on the 'Lucky Star' episode, so I guess that's what ignited my questioning in the first place.

So relax sir. I've meant no insult to your organic intel. That's why I didn't bother to recommend you to get further information from other sources.

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 24 February, 2009 - 01:41
Wikipedia

Wikipedia is completely unreliable because anyone can edit it. It also reinforces commonly-repeated fan myths that have no basis in reality. Citing wikipedia is definitely not a good way to win an argument.

-Jeremy

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 24 February, 2009 - 02:15
To be fair, Daryl Surat of

To be fair, Daryl Surat of AWO showed me the issue of Newtype USA that explicit calls Azumanga Daioh a "slice-of-life" comedy so the term isn't completely out of left field.

-Andrew

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 24 February, 2009 - 07:50
Like I Said

Yeah, so again, COMMONLY REPEATED FAN MYTH.

-Jeremy

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 24 February, 2009 - 23:44
No, that doesn't work.

"With all due respect" is one of the most condescending things you can say to someone, right up there with "we'll just agree to disagree" or "everyone's entitled to their opinion". It's an extremely sarcastic statement that is never used except to imply the negative; the unspoken "...and you are due none" is always present.

You meant every word of it? Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. After all, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

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Posted by RobotBastard on 24 February, 2009 - 19:38
"With All Due Respect"

RoboB:

You said that, '"With all due respect" is one of the most condescending things you can say to someone, right up there with "we'll just agree to disagree" or "everyone's entitled to their opinion". It's an extremely sarcastic statement that is never used except to imply the negative; the unspoken "...and you are due none" is always present.'

Er, well growing up of watching too many Star Trek shows seeing Starfleet crew using that phrase to express a friendly disagreement in political situations...I took that idiom with honor over arrogance. Come to think of it now...I was afraid the term could've been misused as something sarcastic in this day of age. Perhaps I should've replied something that guarantees confidence.

Doubt me if you feel like it, but I really meant what I said in the brightest of sense, it was never meant to be sarcastic. Otherwise I wouldn't had replied back to Mr. Neil on sincere terms. You gotta give me credit for that dude.

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 25 February, 2009 - 00:55
TALK ABOUT GUNGRIFFON

TALK ABOUT GUNGRIFFON NOW!

-Andrew

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 25 February, 2009 - 09:07
Aye Aye Commander

Aye Aye Commander Rick er-I mean..Andrew Sir...

What can I say about Gungriffon...Gungriffon looks pretty cool, but I never played it b/c I didn't own a Sega Saturn.

I got 2 questions for you. Can you play Gungriffon with VR Gear? Did Sega ever made one like Nintendo did for their SNES?

Cause I know Virtual Reality was pretty hyped-up 1990s techno-trend back then so I thought I ask about it.

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 25 February, 2009 - 11:25
Dear RobotBastard:

Dear RobotBastard:

Remember what you've said to me about the fallacies of idioms?

"With all due respect" + "we'll just agree to disagree" + "everyone's entitled to their opinion" = CONDESCENSION....

CONDESCENSION....I understand now.

Robo B: The more I read your quote, the more enlightening my perception of manners improves from my naivety.

I understand what you're saying, now I know what I must do to make things right.

Robo B: you are one of the wisest youthful rebels that I've ever heard in this podcast. I've just learned something new everyday. Dude you're awesomely righteous! You seriously rock!

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 16 April, 2009 - 23:37
I've got the Twin Sticks and

I've got the Twin Sticks and all those Saturn games as well. They make it far more easy to control.

Try out Steel Battalion on the XBOX, it's basically the extreme version of Gun Griffon with an insane controller.

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Posted by duke togo on 23 February, 2009 - 14:12
Steel Battalion wasn't very

Steel Battalion wasn't very fun at all.

-Andrew.

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 23 February, 2009 - 19:24
Well I didn't say it was

Well I didn't say it was fun, it's just a unique experience to operate that thing. Kind of a "be careful what you wish for" situation.

Turns out a realistically complex simulation of a mech with a 40+ buttons, pedals, and sticks isn't so great after all.

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Posted by duke togo on 25 February, 2009 - 13:36
Sticks and pedals are fine,

Sticks and pedals are fine, but there's no reason for the game not to be somewhat intuitive. Air planes and tanks have ergonomic and intuitive controls. Honestly, Steel Battalion would probably play really well with the twin sticks.

Besides, most of the buttons on that huge controller were just for turning it on.

-Andrew

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 25 February, 2009 - 13:46
Robot games...

I still just wish I had enough money to go buy a Virtual On 2 machine. I think that game was the closest we've ever actually come to a Gundam Video Game. I wish they'd gotten together with the Macross people, because that would have led to something truly wonderful. Imagine playing the final battle of DYRL using the Virtual On game engine!

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Posted by RobotBastard on 24 February, 2009 - 19:51
Uh, the guys at Sega AM2

Uh, the guys at Sega AM2 made a Macross game for PS2. You should check it out on youtube. Honestly, the Virtual On engine isn't that great for anything other than 1 on 1 combat. The zero-g battle at the end of VO:OT wasn't that great and anyone who has played VO:Marz can tell you the game sucks as a mecha platformer. You have no idea how just trying to include 2 vs 2 combat crippled the gameplay in VO: 4 Force and VO: Marz. Everything was slowed down. Besides, there's already those Gundam: Bonds of the Battlefield game that uses twin sticks as the controls.

-Andrew

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 24 February, 2009 - 22:35
Well, yeah, it would require a lot of choreography

In a way, it would be a lot more like those rail-shooter games; you just move about on a "track", and every time you encounter an enemy it puts you both on a 2D plane. There would be "cannon fodder" enemies that died after one or two hits, and then boss enemies that took a whole battle. I think there was a Gundam game that was something like what I was talking about; in the "story" mode you would fight a bunch of battles with green Zakus that died quickly, and then it would put you in a fight with Char.

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Posted by RobotBastard on 25 February, 2009 - 11:22
That was Gundam: Encounters

That was Gundam: Encounters in Space for PS2.

-Andrew

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 26 February, 2009 - 07:44
VR Gear

Sooo....I take it that Sega didn't come up with a Virtual Reality device to play Gungriffon for their consoles?

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 26 February, 2009 - 13:09
There's no VR gear for the

There's no VR gear for the Saturn.

-Andrew

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Posted by Destroy All Pod... on 26 February, 2009 - 16:13
Sega was planning to do some

Sega was planning to do some kind of VR peripheral, it was shown at CES way back when, but it never got made since it was lame.

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Posted by duke togo on 26 February, 2009 - 18:51
Thank You Duke

Thanks a bunch for the clarification Duke. It's a bummer that Sega didn't go that far with their VR plan. I wonder what it would've been like if Sega succeeded making a VR peripheral like that in the 90s. I guess we'll never know.

I liked Sega games, but my heart goes out to NeoGeo.

I love playing Samurai Showdown.

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 27 February, 2009 - 00:31
PS:

PS: Thank you for the clarification of the VR gear too Andrew.

Take care sir,

-R78

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Posted by Rodimus78 on 14 April, 2009 - 17:38